YDIM 1998
Yamaha Diversion ITALY Meeting

YDCN in Como, Italy


YDIM - Yamaha Diversion Italy Meeting


How it started

On 8 december 1997 Gian(Lorenzo) Caccia from Italy invited me to meet in Como in Italy. On that invitation several responses came, which decided me to create a special webpage on this topic.

Como is situated in the north of Italy, surrounded by several lakes. I have never been in Italy but several people tell me that it is a nice place to visit.

Keith Straw from Germany directly answered that he and his wife Grace would join us and offered us his house and garden for staying their the night. Peter and Thereza Uhl for Austria also responded that they would join us. Michel and Priska Kiener from Switzerland will guide us from South Germany to and through Switzerland (I have never been there too!). And more people became interested.

Riding so far to Italy did me decide to complete the tour into a 14 days holiday. So I made a tour schedule which starts and ends in the Netherlands. There is no need to ride the complete tour. As people are living in different countries, they can join and leave whenever they wish. Notice that this Italian trip isn't organized by YDCN or UKDOG. It's a meeting between Diversion owners from different countries, knowing each other only through the YDCN-L mailinglist. As such, everyone is responsable for his own, for everything. We have some people staying on campings and some in a hotel.
If you are interested, the best way is joining the YDCN-L mailinglist, otherwise write to Kim Kodde.

The Italy Tour will start on
Thursday 30 July 1998

Blueprint of the trip

Day 1 Thu 30 Jul Almere (NL) - Diekirch (LUX) 350 km
Starting point of the tour. There will be several meeting points on the way to Diekirch in Luxembourg. We will stay on Camping "Op der Sauer". Hotel people have to make arrangements now as the Chalets are not available in this period for one night.
Day 2 Fri 31 Jul Diekirch (LUX) - Kaiserslautern (GER) 200 km
No-need-for-speed ride to Keith and Grace in Kaiserlautern.
Day 3 Sat 01 Aug Kaiserslautern (GER) - Brunnen (CH) 390 km
Guided by Keith and Grace we ride through the German Black Black Forest to beautiful Switzerland. Nice mountains to climb and beautiful lakes to rest. Somewhere on the route we will meet Michel and Priska Kiener (CH) and Benoit and Dany Brosolo (FR). We stay the night in Brunnen (CH) and enjoy the fireworks of the Swiss National Day over the lake.
Day 4 Sun 02 Aug Brunnen (CH) - Como (IT) 310 km
We have to say goodbye this day to Keith, Grace, Benoit and Dany. We leave Switzerland in the late afternoon and after 10 minutes we reach Como and meet Gian and his Italian friends. Gian had prepared the roadmaps for Como and can be found HERE.
Day 5 Mon 03 Aug Touring in Italy #1 --- km
First day riding and sightseeing Italy Como lake district
Day 6 Tue 04 Aug Touring in Italy #2 --- km
Second day riding and sightseeing Italy Como lake district
Day 7 Wed 05 Aug Como (IT) - France 270 km
Official end of the Italy visit. Those not going with to France can either stay another day or go back home. The Dutch and Swiss delegation will go direction Lyon in France. We will do that in two days and spent the night somewhere in France.
Day 8 Thu 06 Aug France - Camping Moto, Montclar 275 km

We go on for our second long stay, this time Camping Moto in Montclar, near Lyon. This is a famous bikers camping run by Jantje and Piet, two dutch people now living there. The camping has a swimming pool, bar, breakfast and bikers dinner (large plates). For those not camping, there are reasonable cheap hotels in the neighbourhood as this area isn't touristic at all. It is a good place for making day trips. We will stay here for 4 nights, enjoying our summer holiday.
Day 9 Fri 07 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km

First day on Camping Moto
Day 10 Sat 08 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km
Second day on Camping Moto
Day 11 Sun 09 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km
Third day on Camping Moto
Day 12 Mon 10 Aug Montclar (FR) - Vogezen (FR) 275 km
Following Route Nationale we go to the Vogezen and stay there somewhere....
Day 13 Tue 11 Aug Vogezen (FR) - Diekirch (LUX) 275 km
We follow our route northwards to the last point, Diekirch again.
Day 14 Wed 12 Aug Diekirch (LUX) - Almere (NL) 350 km
From here non-tourist direct to home. End of the trip.


Participants
City name(s) bike(s)
#bikes
camping
hotel
status
Austria
Vienna Peter Uhl
Thereza Uhl
Diversion XJ900S
1
no
no
yes
yes
confirmed
confirmed
France
Belfort Benoit Brosolo
Dany Brosolo
Yamaha FJ1200
1
 
yes
yes
confirmed
confirmed
Germany
Kaiserslautern Keith Straw
Grace Straw
Diversion XJ900S
1
 
yes
yes
confirmed
confirmed
Italy
Caronno Pertusella GianLorenzo Caccia Diversion XJ900S
1
 
 
confirmed
Verano Brianza Alex Chiolo Diversion XJ600S
1
 
 
confirmed
*unknown* Stefano Salmieri Diversion XJ900S
1
 
 
confirmed
Netherlands
Almere Kim Kodde
Lida van der Kolff
Diversion XJ900S
Virago XV535S
2
Yes
Yes
 
 
confirmed
confirmed
Terborg Petra Wissing
Eddy van der Meer
Diversion XJ900S
1
Yes
Yes
 
 
confirmed
confirmed
Nijmegen Frank van Enckevort Yamaha XJ900F
1
No
Yes
confirmed
Bodegraven Chris van Hees Diversion XJ900S
1
Yes
 
confirmed
Roosendaal Emiel Nierop Diversion XJ600S
1
Yes
 
confirmed
Roosendaal Umit Ibikcam Diversion XJ600S
1
Yes
 
confirmed
Duivendrecht Paul Moens Diversion XJ900S
1
Yes
 
group 2
Ens Han Nobbe Diversion XJ600S
1
Yes
 
group 2
Montfoort Alexander v. Zutphen Yamaha Fazer
1
Yes
 
group 2
Nijmegen Bart Scholten Diversion XJ600S
1
Yes
 
group 2
Switzerland
Basel Michel Kiener
Priska Kiener
Yamaha FJ1200
1
No
No
Yes
Yes
confirmed
confirmed
United Kingdom
Burton upon Trend Richard Redding Diversion XJ900S
1
 
yes
confirmed
(*) The dutch group 2 are people that signed too late to make arrangements. We have decided that they will have to make their own arrangements for accomodation in Kaiserlautern, Switzerland and Como.

Route in progress

Day 1 Thu 30 Jul Almere (NL) - Diekirch (LUX) 350 km
There will be a special Italy meeting this summer for all dutch participants to work out the dutch parts of this trip. For our stays in Luxemburg, the chalets are not available in this period. Those not camping need to find a hotel.
  • First stop will be near AC Restaurant Nederweert (A2) where Eddy van der Meer, Petra Wissing, Frank van Enckevort, Richard Redding and Emile Nierop will join the group. Richard will arrive on July 29th and will stay the night in Nijmegem. Frank will guide Richard.
  • Kim, Lida, Eddy and Petra will stay at Camping "Op der Sauer". Frank and Richard will stay in Vianden, around 10km of Diekirch.
Camping "Op der Sauer"
Route de Gilsdorf
L-9201 Diekirch
Luxembourg
tel. +352-80 85 90
fax. +352-80 94 70
Auberge de Jeunesse L-Vianden
3 Montee du Chateau
L-9408 Vianden
Luxembourg
tel. +352-834177
fax. +352-849427
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard
Day 2 Fri 31 Jul Diekirch (LUX) - Kaiserslautern (GER) 200 km
Around 10:00 Chris van Hees will arrive in Diekirch to join our Italy trip to Swiss. He will leave the group as we went to Italy.
No-need-for-speed to Keith and Grace in Kaiserlautern. Address and route are known but will not be published.
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard
Meeting Chris (Diekirch), Keith & Grace (Kaiserlautern)
Day 3 Sat 01 Aug Kaiserslautern (GER) - Brunnen (CH) 390 km
Kaiserslautern to Freiburg in Breisgau, 200 km
  (Route planned by Keith)

Meeting Michel & Priska at the "Tankstelle Schauinsland" on the highway A5.
Meeting time = noon (twelve o'clock).
On the highway A5 there are the following exits from North to South: - Teningen
- Freiburg Nord
- Freiburg Mitte
- Freiburg Süd
The distance between two consecutive exits is 5 to 7 kms. Immediately (i.e. 800m) after the exit "Freiburg Nord" there is a gas station on the highway called "Tankstelle Schauinsland". Priska, Michel and their blue/grey FJ 1200 will be waiting for us there. Meeting time = noon (twelve o'clock). To get to the gas station, we must stay on the highway, i.e. NOT take the exit "Freiburg Nord". The fuel brand they sell there is "DEA". There is a snack-bar too and we could have a small lunch here. The phone and fax numbers are:
  tel. 07665-1314
fax. 07665-3144
 
So we could contact Priska and Michel if there were any problem.

Freiburg in Breisgau (Germany) to Stein (Switzerland), 80 km, 2 hours

Nice roads with many bends through the southern Black Forest.
We leave the highway at exit "Freiburg Mitte". - Freiburg
- Oberried
- Todtnau
- Geschwend
- Prdg
- Todtmoos
- Todtmoos-Au
- (Wehrtal)
- Wehr
- Bad-Sdckingen
- (Cross the Rhine = border Germany/Switzerland)
- (Buy Swiss highway stickers at Swiss customs: 40 SFr)
- Stein am Rhein
- In Stein am Rhein we meet Benoit and Dany and their FJ 1200

Stein to Brunnen, 110 km, 2 hours

- Stein to Mdgenwil: 35 km highway
- Mdgenwil - Wohlen - Muri - Sins - Lindencham: 30 km normal road
- Lindencham - Rotkreuz - K|snacht: 15 km highway
- Küsnacht - Greppen - Weggis - Vitznau - Gersau - Brunnen
   30 km beautiful road along the Luzern-lake (Vierwaldstetter-lake)

1st August fireworks over the lake in Brunnen. Night on a camping in Steinen (at the Lauerzersee) or at the hotel Mythenblick in Seewen/Schwyz (5 km from Brunnen)
Hotel Mythenblick
Bahnhofstrasse 118
6423-Seewen (CH)
tel. +41-41-811-11-45
Camping Buchenhof
Familie Reichlin
6422-Steinen (CH)
tel. +41-41-832-14-29
Frank (single, SFr 60), Richard (single, SFr 60), Keith & Grace (double, SFr 110), Benoit & Dany (double, SFr 110), Michel & Priska (double, SFr 130), Peter & Thereza (double, SFr 130) Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Chris, Emiel

Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard, Chris, Keith & Grace
Meeting Michel & Priska (on route), Benoit & Dany (on route), Peter & Thereza (Brunnen)

Day 4 Sun 02 Aug Brunnen (CH) - Como (IT) 310 km
4 famous alpine passes this day: Susten, Grimsel, Furka and Gotthard!

Brunnen to Flüelen, 15 km, 20 minutes
This beautiful part of the road along the Vierwaldstdtter-lake is called the Axenstrasse. It is a famous portion of the Gothard route and one of the most frequented roads in Switzerland (up to 10 000 cars per day in summer!).

Flüelen to Wassen, 21 km highway, 15 minutes
Highway along the valley of the Reuss river.

Wassen to Innertkirchen over the Susten-Pass (2224 m), 45 km, 2 hours
Who said she or he doesn't like bends?

Innertkirchen to Gletsch over the Grimsel-Pass (2165 m), 33 km, 1.5 hours

Gletsch to Hospental over the Furka-Pass (2431 m), 30 km, 1.5 hours
If you don't like mountains, you're at the wrong place!

Hospental to Airolo over the Gothard-Pass (2108 m), 25 km, 1 hour
We reach the Tessin, the Italian speaking part of Switzerland

Airolo to Bellinzona, 75 km, 1 hour

Bellinzona to Chiasso, 50 km highway, 30 minutes

Chiasso to Como, 6 km, 10 minutes
After Chiasso we leave Switzerland and enter Italy. Hello Gian and other Italians!

Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard Michel & Priska, Peter & Thereza
Meeting Gian (Como)
Leaving Chris (NL), Benoit & Dany
Unknown Keith & Grace

Day 5 Mon 03 Aug Touring in Italy #1 --- km
First day riding and sightseeing Italy Como lake district
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard, Gian, Michel & Priska, Peter & Thereza
Unknown Keith & Grace
Day 6 Tue 04 Aug Touring in Italy #2 --- km
Second day riding and sightseeing Italy Como lake district
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Frank, Richard, Gian, Michel & Priska, Peter & Thereza
Unknown Keith & Grace
Day 7 Wed 05 Aug Como (IT) - France 270 km
Official end of the Italy visit. Maybe we stay longer, who knows? If not, we want to go in two days to camping Moto in France.
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Michel & Priska
Leaving Frank, Richard, Gian, Peter & Thereza
Unknown Keith & Grace
Day 8 Thu 06 Aug France - Camping Moto, Montclar 275 km
Second day of going from Como to camping Moto in France.
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Michel & Priska
Day 9 Fri 07 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km
First day on camping Moto. Michel & Priska will look for a hotel in the neighbourhood
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel, Michel & Priska
Day 10 Sat 08 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km
Second day on camping Moto
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel
Leaving Michel & Priska
Day 11 Sun 09 Aug Camping Moto, Montclar --- km
Third day on camping Moto
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel
Day 12 Mon 10 Aug Montclar (FR) - Vogezen (FR) 275 km
Following Route Nationale we go to the Vogezen and stay there somewhere....
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel
Day 13 Tue 11 Aug Vogezen (FR) - Diekirch (LUX) 275 km
We follow our route northwards direction Diekirch (Lux)
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel
Day 14 Wed 12 Aug Diekirch (LUX) - Almere (NL) 350 km
From here non-tourist direct to home. End of the trip.
Group Kim & Lida, Eddy & Petra, Emiel

Group Riding Rules

  1. No overtaking within the group
    Establish the order from the beginning, sorting by increasing degree of experience of the riders and/or the power of their bikes. The less experienced rider or weakest bike follows the group leader, the most experienced rider is the "tail-light"
  2. Each person is responsible for keeping in visual contact with the person BEHIND
    So if anyone breaks-down or has an accident then automatically the group will slow down and stop - alerting them to the problem. Sure, let them out of sight if you want, but YOU must be sure that the follower is still there. Answers to the question "Why should everybody keep contact with the rider BEHIND and not before?" can be found in the article Group Riding - Rubber Band Effect
  3. Do NOT ride for the person behind you, for example when trying to overtake
    Just ride as normal, if they can't overtake as well, that's their problem, just keep in contact until they can get past.
  4. Keep secure distance to the rider in front of you
    Faster cars or bikes (that do not belong to the group) must be able to overtake parts of the group (yes, there are cars that are faster than bikes!!!)
  5. On a staight line
    Rriders 1, 3, 5, ... drive on the left side and riders 2, 4, 6, ... on the right side of the right lane: | | | | | | | | 1 | | | | | | | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | 3 | | | | | | | | | 4 | | | | | | | | | 5 | | | | | | | | | 6 | | | | In bents, everybody takes the "secure path" (is NOT the ideal line you would take on a race track !!!). A description of the "secure path" is included below.
  6. Give space to the rider BEHIND you after (s)he had overtaken a car
    This means e.g. rider 1 on the figure above must go to the right side of the lane for a short moment when rider 2 comes near to her/him after an overtaking. What we want to avoid here is that rider 2 is forced to stay on the left lane of the road because there is not enough space on the left side of rider 1.
  7. Group leader halts only on places with enough room for the whole group
    The idea here is not to disturb the traffic
  8. Do not drive faster than legal speed
    I admit I don't always follow this one with a small group (2-3 bikes) but it makes much sense with a large group.

Now, what are the "ideal" path and the secure path in a bent?

Ideal path

  • the one to take on a racetrack (never been there? try it!) where nobody will come from the opposite direction
  • goal = maximum speed around the bent
  • try to have maximal and constant radius
  • enter the bent at the outisde of the track
  • take the middle of the bent at the inside of the track
  • exit the bent at the outside of the track
  • example 1: right bent. enter the bent from the left side of the track, be at the right side of the track at midway and exit the bent at the left side of the track
  • example 2: right-left S bent: enter from left side of track, pass the vertex at midway and exit the S on the right side of the traxk

Secure path

  • the one to take on an open road
  • goal = maximal safety (and reasonable speed) around the bent
  • goal = avoid vehicles coming from the opposite direction which are cutting the bent (unfortunately, a very common thing)
  • try to have maximal visibility, DO NOT "CUT" THE BENT UNTIL YOU SEE ITS EXIT
  • enter the bent at the outside of your lane
  • stay at the outside of your lane until you see the end of the bent
  • when you see the end of the bent, you may leave the outside of your lane
  • example 1: right bent. enter the bent from the left side of the right lane (i.e. about 1 meter right away from the middle of the road) and stay there until you see the exit of the bent
  • example 2: right-left S bent: enter the bent from the left side of the right lane (i.e. about 1 meter right away from the middle of the road). When you see the vertex go to the right side of the right lane (this happens to be the right side of the road also) and stay there until you see the exit of the S

Ideal AND secure path (valid for bikes AND cars !!)

  • brake BEFORE the bent. Stop braking at the beginning of the bent. Try to have the "right" speed at the beginning of the bent
  • take the bent at constant speed and using a LOW BUT CONSTANT level of throttle. It's bad to have the throttle completely closed in the bent - and even worse to brake in the bent, but it's of course possible as long as you're not at the limit of adherence
  • accelerate smoothly at the exit of the bent (not too abrupt !!!)
  • the more you brake or accelerate, the weaker your adherence. The most constant your speed (=> low but constant level of throttle), the best your adherence.

A special opinion about handling curves can be found in the article Handling Curves - A better Line.


Last update 04-Nov-2005